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== Introduction == | == Introduction == | ||
''You're listening to the Skeptics' Guide to the Universe, your escape to reality.'' | ''You're listening to the Skeptics' Guide to the Universe, your escape to reality.'' | ||
== News Items | == News Items == | ||
=== New study published in JAMA compared popular diet plans <small>(1:25)</small> === | |||
=== New study published in JAMA compared popular diet plans <small>()</small> === | |||
* www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/03/070307075749.htm | * www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/03/070307075749.htm | ||
=== Marilyn Schlitz and the True Believers Strike back at the SGU <small>()</small> === | === Marilyn Schlitz and the True Believers Strike back at the SGU <small>(10:56)</small> === | ||
* www.skeptiko.com/index.php?id=11 | * www.skeptiko.com/index.php?id=11 | ||
=== Modern Day Witch Trial <small>()</small> === | === Modern Day Witch Trial <small>(27:30)</small> === | ||
* wcbstv.com/topstories/local_story_065160805.html | * wcbstv.com/topstories/local_story_065160805.html | ||
== Questions and E-mails | |||
== Questions and E-mails == | |||
=== Billy Meier Defender <small>()</small> === | === Billy Meier Defender <small>(30:31)</small> === | ||
<blockquote>Dear Steven,<br/><br/>I noticed that you still have inaccurate info up re Meier. Perhaps you'd like to update your info and note what has happened to all the skeptical challenges in the last several years. These article cover some of it:<br/><br/>www.theyfly.com/newsflash5/tree.htm<br/><br/>www.tjresearch.info/O-S_photos.htm<br/><br/>And this should disabuse you of your thing-on-a-string theory:<br/><br/>From: UFO Contact from the Pleiades<br/>A Preliminary Investigation Report<br/>Copyrights 1982, 1982, 1980, 1979, 1978 Wendelle C. Stevens<br/><br/>'For analysis of the moving picture sequences of the Pleiadian spacecraft filmed in color in super 8mm format by Eduard Meier we turned to Mr. Jun-Ichi Yaoi of Tokyo, Japan, a world recognized expert in the film and television industry, now working as an officer in Nippon Television Corporation.<br/><br/>In the 18 March sequence Meier filmed the spacecraft circling a large tree in front of a farmhouse. The sky was overcast with a low ceiling, and occasionally light snowflakes fell. The motion of the spacecraft looks suspiciously like it is tethered from above as it appears to circle the tree and then to swing back and forth over the tree, except that on three occasions the spacecraft changes its motion abruptly with no change in the tilt of the vertical axis of the ship.<br/><br/>If it was in fact tethered, one would expect the vertical axis to tilt as the tether point above was moved. In another measurement it was found that the tilt angle of the vertical axis in one oscillation sequence was sufficient that the axis crossed within the frame and would have put the tether point within the picture. No tether point source was revealed, in one of the final oscillation sequences the object appeared to pass directly over the top of the tree, and it is clearly seen that the tree was swept over in the direction of the spacecraft, or appeared to follow the spacecraft as it passed. Clearly no model could have produced this effect. When we revisite</blockquote> | <blockquote>Dear Steven,<br/><br/>I noticed that you still have inaccurate info up re Meier. Perhaps you'd like to update your info and note what has happened to all the skeptical challenges in the last several years. These article cover some of it:<br/><br/>www.theyfly.com/newsflash5/tree.htm<br/><br/>www.tjresearch.info/O-S_photos.htm<br/><br/>And this should disabuse you of your thing-on-a-string theory:<br/><br/>From: UFO Contact from the Pleiades<br/>A Preliminary Investigation Report<br/>Copyrights 1982, 1982, 1980, 1979, 1978 Wendelle C. Stevens<br/><br/>'For analysis of the moving picture sequences of the Pleiadian spacecraft filmed in color in super 8mm format by Eduard Meier we turned to Mr. Jun-Ichi Yaoi of Tokyo, Japan, a world recognized expert in the film and television industry, now working as an officer in Nippon Television Corporation.<br/><br/>In the 18 March sequence Meier filmed the spacecraft circling a large tree in front of a farmhouse. The sky was overcast with a low ceiling, and occasionally light snowflakes fell. The motion of the spacecraft looks suspiciously like it is tethered from above as it appears to circle the tree and then to swing back and forth over the tree, except that on three occasions the spacecraft changes its motion abruptly with no change in the tilt of the vertical axis of the ship.<br/><br/>If it was in fact tethered, one would expect the vertical axis to tilt as the tether point above was moved. In another measurement it was found that the tilt angle of the vertical axis in one oscillation sequence was sufficient that the axis crossed within the frame and would have put the tether point within the picture. No tether point source was revealed, in one of the final oscillation sequences the object appeared to pass directly over the top of the tree, and it is clearly seen that the tree was swept over in the direction of the spacecraft, or appeared to follow the spacecraft as it passed. Clearly no model could have produced this effect. When we revisite</blockquote> | ||
== Name That Logical Fallacy <small>()</small> == | |||
== Name That Logical Fallacy <small>(46:23)</small> == | |||
* Logical Fallacies | * Logical Fallacies | ||
<blockquote>I'm a big fan of the show, been listening to the archives in order and am up to around episode 45. I consider myself to be a pretty skeptical person, but perhaps I am too skeptical. Although I don't typically buy into grand conspiracies, I find myself sometimes skeptical of your criticisms thereof. It seems to me that although it is logically plausible that most if not all grand conspiracies would collapse under their own weight, it seems at least slightly fallacious to say that they can't be true simply because you can't imagine how they would be perpetuated and kept secret. This strikes me as nothing more than an argument from personal incredulity. I think that even the best skeptics must guard at all times against fallacious thinking, after all, none of us are infallible. Thanks for the podcast. Keep up the good work.<br/><br/>Symon Roberts<br/>Washington State, USA<br/></blockquote> | <blockquote>I'm a big fan of the show, been listening to the archives in order and am up to around episode 45. I consider myself to be a pretty skeptical person, but perhaps I am too skeptical. Although I don't typically buy into grand conspiracies, I find myself sometimes skeptical of your criticisms thereof. It seems to me that although it is logically plausible that most if not all grand conspiracies would collapse under their own weight, it seems at least slightly fallacious to say that they can't be true simply because you can't imagine how they would be perpetuated and kept secret. This strikes me as nothing more than an argument from personal incredulity. I think that even the best skeptics must guard at all times against fallacious thinking, after all, none of us are infallible. Thanks for the podcast. Keep up the good work.<br/><br/>Symon Roberts<br/>Washington State, USA<br/></blockquote> | ||
== Science or Fiction <small>()</small> == | |||
== Science or Fiction <small>(52:17)</small> == | |||
Question #1: Scientists are exploring an area of the Atlantic sea floor thousands of kilometers in area where the earth-s crust appears to be missing. | Question #1: Scientists are exploring an area of the Atlantic sea floor thousands of kilometers in area where the earth-s crust appears to be missing. | ||
Question #2: Neuroscientists use fMRI scanning to show how toothbrushing can cause seizures. | Question #2: Neuroscientists use fMRI scanning to show how toothbrushing can cause seizures. | ||
Question #3: Plant biologists have genetically engineered a variety of green bean plant that grows over 8 ft. tall and sporting beans over 1 foot long. | Question #3: Plant biologists have genetically engineered a variety of green bean plant that grows over 8 ft. tall and sporting beans over 1 foot long. | ||
== Skeptical Puzzle <small>()</small> == | |||
== Skeptical Puzzle <small>(1:00:45)</small> == | |||
<blockquote>This Week's Puzzle<br/><br/>A pirate's victim, swimming in rye, bound with ropes, would make a perfect one of these.<br/><br/><br/>Last Week's Puzzle<br/><br/>I am holding five objects in my hand<br/>All five objects are the same size and shape<br/>Each object has a number of things on them<br/>These things are all exactly the same<br/>The first object has zero things<br/>The seconds has four<br/>The third has six<br/>The fourth has four<br/>The fifth has ten<br/><br/>What am I holding?<br/><br/>Answer: Zener ESP cards<br/>Winner: Iandbert<br/></blockquote> | <blockquote>This Week's Puzzle<br/><br/>A pirate's victim, swimming in rye, bound with ropes, would make a perfect one of these.<br/><br/><br/>Last Week's Puzzle<br/><br/>I am holding five objects in my hand<br/>All five objects are the same size and shape<br/>Each object has a number of things on them<br/>These things are all exactly the same<br/>The first object has zero things<br/>The seconds has four<br/>The third has six<br/>The fourth has four<br/>The fifth has ten<br/><br/>What am I holding?<br/><br/>Answer: Zener ESP cards<br/>Winner: Iandbert<br/></blockquote> | ||
== Quote of the Week <small>()</small> == | |||
<blockquote> | == Quote of the Week <small>(1:04:16)</small> == | ||
<blockquote>The deepest sin against the human mind is to believe things without evidence.</blockquote> | |||
Thomas H. Huxley | |||
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| March 7th 2007 |
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Introduction
You're listening to the Skeptics' Guide to the Universe, your escape to reality.
News Items
New study published in JAMA compared popular diet plans (1:25)
- www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/03/070307075749.htm
Marilyn Schlitz and the True Believers Strike back at the SGU (10:56)
- www.skeptiko.com/index.php?id=11
Modern Day Witch Trial (27:30)
- wcbstv.com/topstories/local_story_065160805.html
Questions and E-mails
Billy Meier Defender (30:31)
Dear Steven,
I noticed that you still have inaccurate info up re Meier. Perhaps you'd like to update your info and note what has happened to all the skeptical challenges in the last several years. These article cover some of it:
www.theyfly.com/newsflash5/tree.htm
www.tjresearch.info/O-S_photos.htm
And this should disabuse you of your thing-on-a-string theory:
From: UFO Contact from the Pleiades
A Preliminary Investigation Report
Copyrights 1982, 1982, 1980, 1979, 1978 Wendelle C. Stevens
'For analysis of the moving picture sequences of the Pleiadian spacecraft filmed in color in super 8mm format by Eduard Meier we turned to Mr. Jun-Ichi Yaoi of Tokyo, Japan, a world recognized expert in the film and television industry, now working as an officer in Nippon Television Corporation.
In the 18 March sequence Meier filmed the spacecraft circling a large tree in front of a farmhouse. The sky was overcast with a low ceiling, and occasionally light snowflakes fell. The motion of the spacecraft looks suspiciously like it is tethered from above as it appears to circle the tree and then to swing back and forth over the tree, except that on three occasions the spacecraft changes its motion abruptly with no change in the tilt of the vertical axis of the ship.
If it was in fact tethered, one would expect the vertical axis to tilt as the tether point above was moved. In another measurement it was found that the tilt angle of the vertical axis in one oscillation sequence was sufficient that the axis crossed within the frame and would have put the tether point within the picture. No tether point source was revealed, in one of the final oscillation sequences the object appeared to pass directly over the top of the tree, and it is clearly seen that the tree was swept over in the direction of the spacecraft, or appeared to follow the spacecraft as it passed. Clearly no model could have produced this effect. When we revisite
Name That Logical Fallacy (46:23)
- Logical Fallacies
I'm a big fan of the show, been listening to the archives in order and am up to around episode 45. I consider myself to be a pretty skeptical person, but perhaps I am too skeptical. Although I don't typically buy into grand conspiracies, I find myself sometimes skeptical of your criticisms thereof. It seems to me that although it is logically plausible that most if not all grand conspiracies would collapse under their own weight, it seems at least slightly fallacious to say that they can't be true simply because you can't imagine how they would be perpetuated and kept secret. This strikes me as nothing more than an argument from personal incredulity. I think that even the best skeptics must guard at all times against fallacious thinking, after all, none of us are infallible. Thanks for the podcast. Keep up the good work.
Symon Roberts
Washington State, USA
Science or Fiction (52:17)
Question #1: Scientists are exploring an area of the Atlantic sea floor thousands of kilometers in area where the earth-s crust appears to be missing. Question #2: Neuroscientists use fMRI scanning to show how toothbrushing can cause seizures. Question #3: Plant biologists have genetically engineered a variety of green bean plant that grows over 8 ft. tall and sporting beans over 1 foot long.
Skeptical Puzzle (1:00:45)
This Week's Puzzle
A pirate's victim, swimming in rye, bound with ropes, would make a perfect one of these.
Last Week's Puzzle
I am holding five objects in my hand
All five objects are the same size and shape
Each object has a number of things on them
These things are all exactly the same
The first object has zero things
The seconds has four
The third has six
The fourth has four
The fifth has ten
What am I holding?
Answer: Zener ESP cards
Winner: Iandbert
Quote of the Week (1:04:16)
The deepest sin against the human mind is to believe things without evidence.
Thomas H. Huxley
S: The Skeptics' Guide to the Universe is produced by the New England Skeptical Society in association with the James Randi Educational Foundation. For more information on this and other episodes, please visit our website at www.theskepticsguide.org. Please send us your questions, suggestions, and other feedback; you can use the "Contact Us" page on our website, or you can send us an email to info@theskepticsguide.org'. 'Theorem' is produced by Kineto and is used with permission.
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