SGU Episode 287
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| SGU Episode 287 |
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| 12th Jan 2011 |
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| Skeptical Rogues |
| S: Steven Novella |
B: Bob Novella |
R: Rebecca Watson |
J: Jay Novella |
E: Evan Bernstein |
| Guest |
P: Phil Plait |
| Quote of the Week |
Reality has been around since long before you showed up. Don't go calling it nasty names like "bizarre" or "incredible". The universe was propagating complex amplitudes through configuration space for ten billion years before life ever emerged on Earth. Quantum physics is not "weird". You are weird. -Eliezer Yudkowsky |
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Introduction
You're listening to the Skeptics' Guide to the Universe, your escape to reality.
S: Hello and welcome to the Skeptics' Guide to the Universe, today is Wednesday January 12th, 2011 and this is your host Steve Novella. Joining me this week are Bob Novella,...
B: Hey everybody.
S: Rebecca Watson,
R: Hello everyone.
S: Jay Novella,
J: Hey Guys.
S: Evan Bernstein,
E: Hello, hello.
S: and the first guest rogue of 2011, the Bad Astronomer, Phil Plait. Phil welcome back to the SGU.
P: Greetings and felicitations, critical thinkers.
R: Man. We can not get rid of this guy can we?
P: It's true.
?: Who would want to?
S: He keeps turning up.
E: And hello to the rest of you too, right?
S: Yeah, and to everyone else, right.
E: Right, cause...
P: Well, if people have to listen to this, okay.
?: Phil would you like to make any... any astrological or astronomical predictions for 2011?
S: Eh, what's the difference?
E: Yeah.
R: Yeah, it's like cosmology and cosmetology. Basically the same thing.
P: That's true.
R: Phil actually cuts my hair. Little known fact.
P: I was going to say, just wash them right out of your hair, that's fine. Yeah, the astrological predictions are one things, but you know astronomical predictions, there will be meteor showers, the sun will continue to shine, somewhere a supernova will blow up.
R: Alright, but if the sun stops shining, we're going to be coming to you for answers.
S: And you can go out on a limb and say there will be sunspots.
P: I don't know. It's actually been pretty weak so far.
S: Not so sure about that, yeah. I wouldn't...
P: There have been a few. We've had some good ones, but not... I don't know, we'll see. It's all going to end in 2012 anyway.
S: We've never really fully rebounded from the solar minimum have we?
P: There have been some pretty big filaments, these prominences, these giant arcs of material that that scream out of the sun and then blow off into space. There have been some really spectacular ones.
S: Yeah.
P: Which is cool because NASA has a new satellite up there, the Solar Dynamics Observatory, so we've been getting, you know, awesome hi-res video of this. But it's still, you know, not quite where I was expecting it by this time in the cycle. Eh, we'll see. The sun...
?: Should we be afraid?
P: We should always be afraid. But I don't think. I don't think the Sun...
R: Fear monger.
P: ...is going reach out and give you anything other than a sunburn.
S: Yeah.
P: And I know how pale and doughy all all of us skeptics are so we should be worried about that.
S: We should live in constant fear. Haven't you read Phil's book?
R: Mmmhmm. MmmHmm.
?: Yeah.
P: Look, who's going to make money if people aren't afraid?
S: Right.
R: It's true.
?: Well that's true.
S: Speaking of which, Phil how is Bad Universe doing? Any updates? On possibly more episodes?
P: I haven't heard anything from the Network yet. I'm still hoping. The first two have aired in the US. I haven't heard of when the third is going to be scheduled, but if you live in Australia, actually. I believe there are some Australian listeners of SGU. January 16th on Sunday, I think it's at 7:30 but check your local listings, they'll be showing it and then they'll show all 3 episodes the following Sundays. So you know get on get online check check your TV schedule and then you can see me blowing stuff up.
R: That was actually a regular question I got as I was doing talks around Australia and New Zealand. People kept asking me when your show was airing. Slightly, slightly insulting to me. But, I'm sure...
P: Well when is your TV show on Rebecca?
?: Oh!
R: Any moment now, any moment. You have to, you have to pay by the minute though.
P: Oh dear.
This Day in Skepticism (3:27)
S: Well before go on to some serious science news, Evan what is special about today?
E: It was January 13th actually tomorrow. 1610 where Galileo discovered Calisto. 4th satellite of Jupiter.
S: That's my 3rd favorite Galilean satellite
R: Steve, you know you shouldn't pick favorites.
E: Io is your first I think.
?: It's my fourth.
R: My favorite is the one that looks like the deathstar, Mimos.
P: That's Mimos. That's on Saturn.
S: Yeah, right.
R: I thought it was Mimos. I go by the Latin pronunciations...
S: Mimos, Mimos.
R: ...but you would know better being the astronomer.
P: I call my grandmother Mima.
R: Does she look like the deathstar, too?
P: Oh, I'm confusing myself with Sheldon Cooper. Alright nevermind.
J: Evan...
?: Evan rocks!
J: Evan, why did you call it a satellite, not just a moon?
E: Well.
S: Well.
P: Snap!
B: Did it throw you off, Jay?
J: Of course.
S: Because that's what Galileo called them. The words are interchangeable. But that.. the the Galilean satellites is just what they're often referred to, the four largest moons of Jupiter.
E: Well plus when people say moon to me I only think about our Moon. I don't think about the dozens of other moons that are out...
S: You don't?
E: ...out there. No!
S: Our moon is The Moon.
E: It is...
S: But all the other moons are still moons.
E: All the other moons are cheap knockoffs on our moon.
S: Oh come on? Ganymede? Please. Things as big as a planet.
E: Well so is... so is...
?: So is Uranus Steve, you know.
E: It's as big as...
P: It's so cute when you guys talk astronomy.
?: I know...
?: Isn't it Phil?
P: I would love to sit back listening, this is fun.
News Items
Molten Exoplanet (4:57)
S: Phil tell us about the latest exciting exoplanet to be discovered.
BMJ Slams Wakefield (13:22)
S: Well, let's move on to some non-astronomy items.
Creationist Teacher Fired (28:52)
http://ncse.com/news/2011/01/freshwater-officially-fired-006408
S: Let's go on to another story about another man with dubious intentions.
Galactic Black Holes (40:15)
S: Before we leave the news items, Phil give us a quick story on this black hole
Who's That Noisy? (45:47)
S: Evan! Get us up to date on Who's that Noisy?
E: Yeah, why don't we play last weeks Who's that Noisy? Here we go.
R: Yeah, lets.
1: No, No, No! None of these books have a cure! Urh! There has to be a real reason for this. An illness! An allergy! 2: A curse. 1: I said a real reason. Something that points to something real. 2: How about this one? 1: Supernaturals? Spike, the word supernatural refers to things like ghosts and spirits and zombies. Which are as make-believe as curses.
E: Okay.
?: Except the zombies.
?: So who is that noisy.
R: I know who it is.
E: Alright Rebecca.
R: It's My Little Ponies. Only like the best toy ever.
E: That's Right.
R: Right? Right?
E: Exactly. That is right. That's exactly correct.
R: I had tons of My Little Ponies as a kid. And that's what made me a skeptic today.
S: I'm not shocked by that at all.
R: Not.. not actually true, but I did have a ton of My Little Ponies.
J: There was a My Little Ponies like cartoon?
R: Yeah.
E: Oh, There have been several Jay, there have been several.
R: It used to come on after Gummy Bears.
P: Wait, Gummy Bears was a show?
?: What is?
R: What? Come on. (singing) Gummy Bears bouncing here and there and ...
?: You just made that up.
R: No I swear to god. (singing)bouncing here and there and everywhere.
S: So what were they talking about in that little clip.
P: You know stuff and things with the stuff.
?: Basically the Gummy Bears are talking about how not to get eaten.
R: No.
S: No.
R: No, they're My Little Ponies.
?: Oh.
E: I did not watch, I did not watch the entire episode but the moral of the story was that the solution was in the... that going to look for a solution to a problem using a paranormal book is not a good thing to do. And thank you by the way to Adam from The Reality Check podcast who brought that to our attention.
?: Oh cool. Hey Adam.
S: Thanks Adam. Did anybody guess right?
E: Yeah, absolutely, some did get it right.
?: And her name was Rebecca Watson.
?: Rebecca
E: His name...
R: It was me.
E: Wolbertinger (ed: spelling?) from the message boards was the only one to guess correctly.
?: He should see a doctor about that.
E: He even got the name of the Pony: Twilight Sparkle.
?: Oh boy.
?: I'm sorry. Twilight Sparkle? Can they sue?
S: You like Twilight Sparkle?
P: Twilight Sparkly vampire.
?: So basically Evan, what you're saying Wolbertinger (ed: spelling?) wherever he is right now might be wearing a I love My Little Pony t-shirt, whatever that is.
E: The t-shirt actually reads "Everything I learned about skepticism, I learned from My Little Pony."
R: That is so true.
P: That's ridiculous because honestly everyone knows Hello Kitty is a lot better.
R: What? Get out of here.
E: Is Hello Kitty very skeptical?
R: No! Hello Kitty is just a cheap marketing ploy.
E: I'll take four.
P: Well, I've been put in my place.
R: My Little Ponies had content.
S: Stuff. Evan. Evan what do you've got for this week?
E: This week's Who's That Noisy.
(Noises)
P: It's David after dentist.
(Noises continue)
J: Evan look man.
E: Jay, that was for you.
J: I told you, no window lickers okay?
P: It's Kei$ha without auto-tuning.
?: You know guys...
E: That's a really good guess.
?: Something really weird and profound just happened to me.
S: Yeah.
?: I think I have finally merged with the Internet.
R: Really?
?: Because I know exactly what that is.
R: Are you Lawnmower Man? It that what this is?
?: More more Metro-Sexual Man.
E: I do predict one of our listeners, at least one of our listeners is going to get this one, so...
Your Questions and Emails (49:58)
YouTube Link to Video S: Thanks Evan! Let's go on to a couple of Your Questions and Emails. This one by coincidence, total cosmic coincidence, not planned in any way.
Name That Logical Fallacy (57:25)
S: Well let's move on. We're going to do a name that logical fallacy.
Science or Fiction (1:08:04)
S: Well, let's go on to Science or Fiction.
Skeptical Quote of the Week (1:27:35)
S: We have a few very important announcements coming up but first ...
J: So this quote was sent in by Dex (ed: Spelling?)
S: ... we have a quote from Jay.
J:
Reality has been around since long before you showed up. Don't go calling it nasty names like "bizarre" or "incredible". The universe was propagating complex amplitudes through configuration space for ten billion years before life ever emerged on Earth. Quantum physics is not "weird". You are weird.
R: That's harsh.
J: Eliezer Yudkowsky
S: Eliezer Yudkowsky
E: Is that through your diggereedoo, Jay?
J: I'm not going to reveal my secrets.
Announcements (1:28:14)
S: A few...a few important announcements. First Richard Saunders requested that I let people know that the Skeptic Zone now has an email newsletter so if you would like to receive, I think it's weekly, a weekly newsletter through the email from the Skeptic Zone, you can visit www.skepticzone.tv and you can subscribe there. Also, NECSS registration is now open, so...
R: Yay!
S: So you can go to go to the NECSS Con website and you'll see a big button to register here.
R: This is the conference previously known as the SGU live show.
S: Yes, the SGU... the local SGU live show, which has warped into the North East Conference on Science and Skepticism or NECSS for short. And who's our keynote speaker this year?
E: Some guy, I think.
R: Is it me?
P: Isn't, isn't this whole thing just William Shatner chopping wood? Oh that's the other Nexis, sorry.
R: I wish.
E: What about Snooky. Snooky.
S: I believe that the Bad Astronomer is going to be our keynote this year.
R: Oh, I've heard of him.
P: Hey, hey.
E: He's the...
P: I can dress like Snooky for the talk.
?: That's awesome guys, come on.
E: He's the Bad As...tronomer.
S: The Bad As...tronomer.
P: All I need to do is figure out what I'm going to talk about.
E: That's easy.
S: So we have coming Phil Plait of course, Massimo Pelluci, John Rheny, John Alan Palous, Todd Robins, Eugeny Scott, Carl Zimmer, Daniel Conamen, did I say George Hrab? Jennifer Michael Hect, (ed: spelling??) ...
R: No.
S: Thomas Gillovich.
?: Hrab.
S: I'm actually excited to see this guy. Have you guys read his book? You know I think it's called...
E: No.
S: How We Know What Isn't So
P: Yeah, I've got that book right here.
E: No, I'll have to read that.
P: It's a great book.
S: Yeah, it's a seminal book in my opinion in understanding ...
E: Really?
S: ...the psychology of belief. Yeah, love it.
P: It's a good book.
E: Oh I've got to read that.
S: Yeah, yeah, you've got to read it. So I'm excited to see him at the... at the conference. Hal Bidlack, Brooke Allan, Dan Garterner (ed: spelling?) who we interviewed recently. So it's quite the lineup. There may be some other additions coming, but just the list as it is now is awesome. Also, if you are a member of the NESS, of the New England Skeptical Society, then email us at snovella@skepticsguide.org and I will send you a special code to get your membership discount. We do...
?: Awesome.
S: We do have, we do have a list of everybody, but I don't have everybody's email so it's easier just to email me if you want the code.
P: When you decode it, it says be sure to drink your Ovaltine.
?: Nice. Nice.
E: Brought to you buy.
S: Well, Phil, thanks for joining us this week.
R: Thanks Phil.
?: Thanks Phil, great to have you.
P: This was awesome, as always, thank you.
E: Yeah, thanks Phil.
S: Thank you everyone else. A pleasure as always.
R: Thank you Steve.
E: Thank you everyone else.
?: Great episode!
S: And until next week, this is your Skeptics Guide to the Universe.
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