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S: This is the SGU 5x5, sitting in tonight for Jay and Rebecca are [http://www.sgutranscripts.org/wiki/Mike_Lacelle_-_In_memoriam Mike Lacelle] (ML) and Jack ChodNicki (JC) (??) | |||
ML/JC: Thanks Steve, Thanks | |||
S: We are talking tonight about the Indonesian woman who claims that wires, metal wires, are growing out of her body <Ref>[http://mysterytopia.com/2008/08/indonesian-woman-manusia-kawat-claims.html] Mysterytopia report:Wires grow out of a woman</Ref>. This has been reported in the Indonesean press and has now, through the magic of the internet, is making it's way around the world and is being reported on many blogs. | |||
ML: It looks pretty gross | |||
(laughter) | |||
S: It's (laughter), yeah, the picture shows the woman's abdomen. She has about 15 wires, maybe 4-6 inches long, sticking out of her ... skin. Pretty much coming straight out, the point at which the wires piece the skin are scabbed over, many of them are red, there is probably a little infected, just from the pictures we're seeing. | |||
E: So you think these wires are actually ... penetrating the skin. | |||
S: I Oh yeah, yeah. | |||
E: Not just glued on, or ... | |||
S: No. | |||
E: .. stuck to her in some other way. | |||
S: No, I think she stuck them through her skin. SO she is presenting this as some kind of a cult magic, or as a medical mystery that these wires are growing by themselves and she can't stop them. The reporting of it is typically credulous, at least what I have seen so far. | |||
B: There is one great quote, skeptics thought that it must be self inflicted. (you think!). Doctors however have other theories but have given up on providing any scientific or medical explanation. | |||
S: Which I don't believe for a moment. I mean, I think a physician seeing this phenomenon would easily make the diagnosis that this is self inflicted. I mean clearly she is sticking these things through herself. This is not an unknown type of behaviour for certain patients to engage in. She could also be just doing it for the publicity, you know, doing it for the attention, as a way of faking some kind of paranormal or mysterious occurrence. The couple of features that I noticed looking at the picture that make it seem suspicious. The wires in many places are extremely evenly placed out, which I think that someone subconsciously would just do that. They not, they don't appear to be coming out at random. They are also all coming pretty much straight out of her skin. Whereas she's claiming they are all just sort of growing inside and poking out at random, that is not what it looks like, you know it looks like somebody, if you were trying to place something at random you would subconsciously, evenly space them out, and that is exactly what it looks like. | |||
ML: And they have a picture on line of the wires after they have been removed, and the ends of the wires that were in her body have very sharp points. So I, you know, makes it easier for her to stick in. Also, they haven't specified any other region of her body, other than her abdomen, where they're grown out from, so it would be interesting to know if just ... oh, OK, it would be interesting to know if any were coming out of her back, like where she can't reach. | |||
E: Ahh, that's right. | |||
S: Uh Huhm (in agreement) | |||
B: Right, this reminds me ..., tell me guys does this remind you a bit of the recent bigfoot hubbub. I've got this amazing thing that somebody claims, is an extraordinary claim, and it really would not take much to prove it, but they just don't come through with it, which of course rings all the skeptical bells. Like some of the quotes here from the article says that this thing, this metal going from her body is like a living phenomenon, the wires are able, mobile and can change location at will. OK, great, well can you film that for us? I mean looking at these wires move would actually, you know, tamp down a little bit of the skepticism. Also what about studying the wires? there is no mention of actually telling us what are the wires made of. I mean wouldn't that be kind-of a basic thing? what are these things? And the other thing is they actually show it in x-ray, well, they mention it in x-ray, I didn't see an x-ray, and they claim that these x-rays show the wires growing inside of her. | |||
??: There is actually a picture of an x-ray. It's showing wires in the stomach, but you can't tell really how deep they are, so they could be right under the skin, or ... | |||
S: But it doesn't say anything about anything at all about how they got there. | |||
B: When you see bizaare things inside of a person, when do you just assume. | |||
ML: | |||
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| 5X5 Episode 34 | |
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| Woman claims wires grow out of her body | |
| 27th August 2008 | |
| 5X5 33 | 5X5 35 |
| Skeptical Rogues | |
| S: Steven Novella | |
| B: Bob Novella | |
| E: Evan Bernstein | |
| Guests | |
| RW: Mike Lacelle | |
| RW: Jack Chodnicki | |
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| Show Notes | |
| Forum Topic | |
Episode title
Voice-over: You're listening to the Skeptics' Guide 5x5, five minutes with five skeptics, with Steve, Jay, Rebecca, Bob and Evan.
S: This is the SGU 5x5, sitting in tonight for Jay and Rebecca are Mike Lacelle (ML) and Jack ChodNicki (JC) (??)
ML/JC: Thanks Steve, Thanks
S: We are talking tonight about the Indonesian woman who claims that wires, metal wires, are growing out of her body [1]. This has been reported in the Indonesean press and has now, through the magic of the internet, is making it's way around the world and is being reported on many blogs.
ML: It looks pretty gross
(laughter)
S: It's (laughter), yeah, the picture shows the woman's abdomen. She has about 15 wires, maybe 4-6 inches long, sticking out of her ... skin. Pretty much coming straight out, the point at which the wires piece the skin are scabbed over, many of them are red, there is probably a little infected, just from the pictures we're seeing.
E: So you think these wires are actually ... penetrating the skin.
S: I Oh yeah, yeah.
E: Not just glued on, or ...
S: No.
E: .. stuck to her in some other way.
S: No, I think she stuck them through her skin. SO she is presenting this as some kind of a cult magic, or as a medical mystery that these wires are growing by themselves and she can't stop them. The reporting of it is typically credulous, at least what I have seen so far.
B: There is one great quote, skeptics thought that it must be self inflicted. (you think!). Doctors however have other theories but have given up on providing any scientific or medical explanation.
S: Which I don't believe for a moment. I mean, I think a physician seeing this phenomenon would easily make the diagnosis that this is self inflicted. I mean clearly she is sticking these things through herself. This is not an unknown type of behaviour for certain patients to engage in. She could also be just doing it for the publicity, you know, doing it for the attention, as a way of faking some kind of paranormal or mysterious occurrence. The couple of features that I noticed looking at the picture that make it seem suspicious. The wires in many places are extremely evenly placed out, which I think that someone subconsciously would just do that. They not, they don't appear to be coming out at random. They are also all coming pretty much straight out of her skin. Whereas she's claiming they are all just sort of growing inside and poking out at random, that is not what it looks like, you know it looks like somebody, if you were trying to place something at random you would subconsciously, evenly space them out, and that is exactly what it looks like.
ML: And they have a picture on line of the wires after they have been removed, and the ends of the wires that were in her body have very sharp points. So I, you know, makes it easier for her to stick in. Also, they haven't specified any other region of her body, other than her abdomen, where they're grown out from, so it would be interesting to know if just ... oh, OK, it would be interesting to know if any were coming out of her back, like where she can't reach.
E: Ahh, that's right.
S: Uh Huhm (in agreement)
B: Right, this reminds me ..., tell me guys does this remind you a bit of the recent bigfoot hubbub. I've got this amazing thing that somebody claims, is an extraordinary claim, and it really would not take much to prove it, but they just don't come through with it, which of course rings all the skeptical bells. Like some of the quotes here from the article says that this thing, this metal going from her body is like a living phenomenon, the wires are able, mobile and can change location at will. OK, great, well can you film that for us? I mean looking at these wires move would actually, you know, tamp down a little bit of the skepticism. Also what about studying the wires? there is no mention of actually telling us what are the wires made of. I mean wouldn't that be kind-of a basic thing? what are these things? And the other thing is they actually show it in x-ray, well, they mention it in x-ray, I didn't see an x-ray, and they claim that these x-rays show the wires growing inside of her.
??: There is actually a picture of an x-ray. It's showing wires in the stomach, but you can't tell really how deep they are, so they could be right under the skin, or ...
S: But it doesn't say anything about anything at all about how they got there.
B: When you see bizaare things inside of a person, when do you just assume.
ML:
S: SGU 5x5 is a companion podcast to the Skeptics' Guide to the Universe, a weekly science podcast brought to you by the New England Skeptical Society in association with skepchick.org. For more information on this and other episodes, visit our website at www.theskepticsguide.org. Music is provided by Jake Wilson.
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