SGU Episode 365 - Revision history

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	S: – so people were attributing their sightings to – oh, somebody, some lone genius invented an airship – you know, an airplane, and their description of it were like antiquated notions, pre-Wright Brother notions of what an airship might look like from the fiction of their day, not flying saucers. They thought they saw stuff and they interpreted them according to the fiction of the day. That actually is evidence against an external phenomenon.		S: – so people were attributing their sightings to – oh, somebody, some lone genius invented an airship – you know, an airplane, and their description of it were like antiquated notions, pre-Wright Brother notions of what an airship might look like from the fiction of their day, not flying saucers. They thought they saw stuff and they interpreted them according to the fiction of the day. That actually is evidence against an external phenomenon.

Xanderox: happened upon this podcast via the "canonical" discussion, saw this link, and now rescue it!

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happened upon this podcast via the "canonical" discussion, saw this link, and now rescue it!

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	R: Yeah, they've made a false assumption that you either have to – either you're lying or you're telling the truth and you actually saw something, as opposed to – yeah, maybe you're telling the truth that you saw something but you're wrong about what you saw.		R: Yeah, they've made a false assumption that you either have to – either you're lying or you're telling the truth and you actually saw something, as opposed to – yeah, maybe you're telling the truth that you saw something but you're wrong about what you saw.

	B: Yeah, it's a [~~http~~://~~www~~.theskepticsguide.org/resources/~~logicalfallacies.aspx#9~~ false dichotomy].		B: Yeah, it's a [https://legacy.theskepticsguide.org/resources/logical-fallacies false dichotomy].

	S: Yeah, and the other fallacy there is the implication that all fighter pilot is so well-trained – is a trained observer, that they would know what they are looking at, but that's simply not true. The human visual system is the same for a pilot or anyone else, and there are many documented cases of experienced pilots, whether civilian or military, mis-interpreting all kinds of things; completely getting their references off and thinking that an object is large and far away when it's small and close-up; mis-identifying Mylar balloons, the planet Venus, you know, pilots “locking on” the planet Venus and engaging it; that's happened multiple times.		S: Yeah, and the other fallacy there is the implication that all fighter pilot is so well-trained – is a trained observer, that they would know what they are looking at, but that's simply not true. The human visual system is the same for a pilot or anyone else, and there are many documented cases of experienced pilots, whether civilian or military, mis-interpreting all kinds of things; completely getting their references off and thinking that an object is large and far away when it's small and close-up; mis-identifying Mylar balloons, the planet Venus, you know, pilots “locking on” the planet Venus and engaging it; that's happened multiple times.

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	S: And until next week, which will be our <abbr title="The Amaz!ng Meeting">TAM</abbr> episode, this is your Skeptics' Guide to the Universe.		S: And until next week, which will be our <abbr title="The Amaz!ng Meeting">TAM</abbr> episode, this is your Skeptics' Guide to the Universe.

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	== References ==		== References ==

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	S: And until next week, which will be our <abbr title="The Amaz!ng Meeting">TAM</abbr> episode, this is your Skeptics' Guide to the Universe.		S: And until next week, which will be our <abbr title="The Amaz!ng Meeting">TAM</abbr> episode, this is your Skeptics' Guide to the Universe.

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	== References ==		== References ==

Av8rmike: Looks like this was proof-read

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Av8rmike: Remove notes link and use episode number

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	\|qowText = The most terrifying fact about the universe is not that it is hostile but that it is indifferent; but if we can come to terms with this indifference and accept the challenges of life within the boundaries of death--however mutable man may be able to make them--our existence as a species can have a genuine meaning and fulfillment. However vast the darkness, we must supply our own light.		\|qowText = The most terrifying fact about the universe is not that it is hostile but that it is indifferent; but if we can come to terms with this indifference and accept the challenges of life within the boundaries of death--however mutable man may be able to make them--our existence as a species can have a genuine meaning and fulfillment. However vast the darkness, we must supply our own light.

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Paulie: /* UFOs on National Geo (10:13) */

2012-10-20T13:36:35Z

UFOs on National Geo (10:13)

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	B: I know! This was – this was the biggest fact-checking fail that I'd – that I saw in this article. You know, this is National Geographic, I mean, at least have somebody, a scientist, run through that because to me, that was a joke. It's like, really? Radioactivity?		B: I know! This was – this was the biggest fact-checking fail that I'd – that I saw in this article. You know, this is National Geographic, I mean, at least have somebody, a scientist, run through that because to me, that was a joke. It's like, really? Radioactivity?

	E: Yeah. Have the folks at [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prometheus_(film) Prometheus]look at this, yeah.		E: Yeah. Have the folks at [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prometheus_(film) Prometheus] look at this, yeah.

	J: That's what I thought, Bob; I thought total non-science-based or scientifically minded author here is writing about something and didn't even realize that one sentence should have set off some serious alarms; it would've set off alarms in someone that had a baseline of scientific understanding. At least ask somebody who may know more about it than themselves.		J: That's what I thought, Bob; I thought total non-science-based or scientifically minded author here is writing about something and didn't even realize that one sentence should have set off some serious alarms; it would've set off alarms in someone that had a baseline of scientific understanding. At least ask somebody who may know more about it than themselves.

Paulie: /* UFOs on National Geo (10:13) */

2012-10-20T13:36:11Z

UFOs on National Geo (10:13)

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	B: I know! This was – this was the biggest fact-checking fail that I'd – that I saw in this article. You know, this is National Geographic, I mean, at least have somebody, a scientist, run through that because to me, that was a joke. It's like, really? Radioactivity?		B: I know! This was – this was the biggest fact-checking fail that I'd – that I saw in this article. You know, this is National Geographic, I mean, at least have somebody, a scientist, run through that because to me, that was a joke. It's like, really? Radioactivity?

	E: Yeah. Have the folks at [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prometheus_(film)Prometheus] look at this, yeah.		E: Yeah. Have the folks at [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prometheus_(film) Prometheus]look at this, yeah.

	J: That's what I thought, Bob; I thought total non-science-based or scientifically minded author here is writing about something and didn't even realize that one sentence should have set off some serious alarms; it would've set off alarms in someone that had a baseline of scientific understanding. At least ask somebody who may know more about it than themselves.		J: That's what I thought, Bob; I thought total non-science-based or scientifically minded author here is writing about something and didn't even realize that one sentence should have set off some serious alarms; it would've set off alarms in someone that had a baseline of scientific understanding. At least ask somebody who may know more about it than themselves.