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== Skepticism 101 - The Ideomotor Effect ==
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S: This is the sgu 5x5 and we're talking about the Ideomotor effect in our continuing series of Skeptism 101. The Ideomotor effect is the subconscious movement, subtle movement of muscles, in order to achieve a subconsciously desired end. For example, the most common, or prominent manifestation of an ideomotor effect is in dowsing. People hold either a stick, or two rods, or something that can easily move in their hands, and then, when they think it should move, it moves. The rods move because they're not aware, they're not consciously aware, that they are actually subconsciously subtly moving their hands to make the movement occur and match their expectations

R: And the thing is its so easy to show, but a lot of people, a lot of dowswers, for instance, don't take the time to do a proper experiment. They just dows and they assume that they have these special powers, until, for instance, they try out for randi's million dollar challenge, at which point, they fail miserably.

M: Yeah, and the term Ideomotor effect was first used in 1852 by William Benjamin Carpenter. In a paper that discussed how the ouja board produced it's results. In that paper he explained his theory that muscular movement can be independent of conscious desires or emotions. And in 1999, Ray Heimen, conducted scientific tests of the Ideomotor effect and wrote "honest, intelligent people can unconsciously engage in muscular activity that is consistent with their expectations"

E: So we've seen the Ideomotor effect in action, up close, and we've done testing on it. The Ideomotor effect also applies to ouja boards, and the planchette that people rest their hands upon to move the glass around the board to spell out the letters. And there's a very easy thing you can do to test if it's really working or not is that you blindfold the people who have their hands on the planchette, let them spell out their letters. Then switch the board around on them. Turn it upside down, turn it around. Don't tell them that you've done that, and then see what happens. They start to just subconsciously move it in random dirctions, and it winds up spelling absolutely nothing

S: Not even reaching letters

E: That's right

S: Not only are the letters meaningless, they don't even land on letters if they're not looking at the board.
We attended a psychic fare where a women demonstrated the pendulum, dowsing with a pendulum to us, and she was clearly moving her hand to make it go back and forth, but insisted that she wasn't.

E: That's right, but boy, she had that wrist moving pretty well. I don't know what she was thinking or feeling, but we saw that wrist definitly move, it wasn't subtle at all

S: Yeah, that might have been not so unconscious Ideomotor effect

E: Yeah, or the women was just so out of it and unaware

B: Guys have you heard of this one, this surprised me. 180 degrees away from the ouja boards and facilitated communication are some alternative medicine practitioners that openly claim to use the Ideomotor effect to communicate with a patient's unconscience using physical signals like finger movements to indicate, yes, no, or whatever. So they're actually using the whole idea of the Ideomotor effect and say that's how they do their thing. And it's not just some explanation, like the ouja board, but they actually claim that it's one of the tools in their toolbag. They actually take advantage of the Ideomotor effect

S: Is that kinda like treating somebody with a placebo effect?

B: Well I think there's also some cold reading In there, you know, trying to use these wierd physical movements to figure out what's going on inside a persons head. You know, why they might be sick and things. So I think there's a little bit of cold reading in there as well

S: Of course the most pernicious example of the Ideomotor effect is facilitated communication. In the 1980s and 90s, speech therapists and those working with children who either had severe autism, or were mentally retarded, or  developmentally delayed, couldn't communicate, thought they had opened a window of comunication into many of these children, by having a facilitator support the hand of the child who would then either type on a computer or typewriter, or point to letters on a board in order to communicate, and children stared to write poetry and tell their parents that they loved them and communicate at a very sophisticated level, convincing the facilitators that they were communicating with these children. That they had intellectual capacity that was previously unimagined. It was really thought to be almost miraculous, until again, blinded studies were conducted. The blinding makes the Ideomotor effect apparent, makes the effect go away, and it was demonstrated over and over again that the facilitators were doing all of the communication subconsiously through the Ideomotor effect. They were devestated to find out that it was them doing the communication, and not the child at all. Again, the Ideomotor effect. It's subconscious, it can be very compelling. If you're not aware of this phenomenon you can be fooled with all these phenomenon.

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